1.) a reported leased Alco S2 at Fox
Ridge, NY. north of Auburn. at a former
Archer Daniels Midland plant. update -
reported no longer there, replaced by an EMD
SW9. anyone know
where the S2 went?
2.) NYSEG #8, Alco S2, former LIRR
453, at Milliken station, Ludlowville. reported
possibly gone to Johnson Rails, a rebuilder of
S-units. can anyone
confirm?
3.) Alco C420 was in Jamesville, NY Moved to
Scranton PA sometime before May 2005.
exRS 41, exx LIRR 211 (highhood) owned by VLIX
4.) Minnesota Commercial M630 # 73
arrived in Falconer, on the WNY&P, on July 28,
2005. She will become WNYP (LAL) 631.
5.) NYLE Alco S2 #85 is now in
Titusville, PA Alco S1 #308
is now in Gowanda. not sure
exactly when either loco moved.
6.) WNYP C430 #430, former Susquehanna
3000, was repainted into LAL family colors (lettered for WNYP)
in November 2005. (was wearing Susquehanna
yellow before) sent out to
Falconer, from Avon, on 12/27/05.
7.) LAL 424 was also sent west to
Falconer, with #430, on 12/27/05. LAL 424 had
been LAL road power, between Avon and Rochester, for many
years until this new assignment. pictures!
note!
(424
and
430
didnt
actually
make
it
to
Falconer
on 12/27/05..see note #9 below)
8.) WNYP 631 - MLW M630 - stored in
Cohocton as of 12/31/2005.
2006
9.) January 10, 2006 - turns out WNYP
430 and LAL 424 didnt actually make it to
Falconer afterall. They headed
out toward Falconer from Avon on 12/27/05, but
returned to Avon later that day. They are
still in Avon as of 01/10/06
10.) January 18, 2006
a
5-unit
Alco lashup headed north out Lakeville
toward Rochester on the LAL!
Two
returned to Lakeville, and three headed west to
Falconer.
LAL
420, which has been a main Lakeville line road
unit for many years,
is
heading to Greenville, PA for wheel work.
LAL
421 will remain Lakeville road power for now..
LAL
424 is moving over to Falconer.
LAL
425 has returned to service, after about a year
in storage. She will remain
Lakeville road power.
WNYP
430 is finally heading to Falconer. 430 is the
newest engine painted in the
LAL family scheme.
4
of the 5 units in this lashup were in LAL black
and yellow, all except 421.
(still
in the old Guilford scheme)
The units arent going to stay in these new
locations for long, here is where they
can be expected to be moving in the upcoming
weeks. I will update the page as
the actual moves take place.
Informed sources
indicate:
LAL
420
moving
to
the
CN
at
Shenango
for
wheel
truing at Greenville.
WNYP 426 assigned to Meadville.
LAL 424 temporarily assigned to Meadville.
WNYP 430 assigned to Falconer.
LAL
421
reassigned
as
WNYP
421
and
will
move
to
Meadville to replace LAL 424 after Hot Start
installed and painting is complete.
From: http://forums.railfan.net/forums.cgi?board=WNYP;action=display;num=1137543901;start=20
10.) January 21, 2006
LAL 420 arrived at the Bessimer's
Greenville, PA shops, for wheel work.
11.) February 1, 2006
LAL 420 returns home to Lakeville.
12.) Delaware-Lackawanna Alco C420
#334 moved to the Scranton, PA shops in
February, 2006.
Should return to the Falls Road in Lockport
after work is completed.
13.) May 2006. Depew, Lancaster &
Western RS11 1804 appeared on the Falls Road
in Lockport sometime in early 2006.
Where was 1804 before? no idea..she wasnt listed
on the NY Alcos 2005 list at all.
Perhaps she came up from Scranton to replace
C420 334 that left the Falls Road?
1802 and 1804 operated the "Day out with Thomas"
trains from
the Medina RR museum in May 2006.
14.) June 2006, got a report from our
intrepid Binghamton reporter Andy B. that
the big Susquehanna Alcos/MLWs arent doing well,
and some are currently OOS..although they might
still return to service.
At the beginning of 2006, all 7 (of 8) of the
Cartier units were operating,
(except for 77, which never operated with NYSW
and has apparently become the parts unit.)
As of June 14, only 3664, 3672 and 3674
are operating.
although hopefully the four dead units may
return to service.
3664 - operating
3670 - OOS
3666 - OOS
3668 - OOS
3672 - operating
77 - parts unit
3660 - OOS
3674 - operating
15.) June 2006, Two of the NYCH
Alco S1's leave NY state for NJ. "Some updates for
your roster..
NYCH 11, Currently forsale
NYCH
21,22
were
moved
to
Greenville
NJ
2
weeks
ago,
and are most likely to be scrapped ( there in
BAD shape )
NYCH 25 is still stored
11 is ex Massena Terminal 11
21 is ex Union RR 453
22 is ex NO&LC 6604
- Paul Strubeck"
16,) June 21, 2006, LAL 421
leaves Avon bound for Falconer, with the
Traveler in tow.
17.) July 28, 2006 -
LAL 432 (Alco C430) arrives in Lakeville from
Falconer,
with the Traveler, returning to Avon.
18.) 2006 - NYCH Alco S4 #11 was
scrapped.
19.) LAL 433 (Former Susquehanna
Alco C430 3006) is in the LAL Lakeville shop
summer 2006.
being
worked on for her return to service.
20.) August 10, 2006. New York Cross
Harbor Alco S1 #25 floated across New York
Harbor
from Brooklyn to Manhatten to go on display in a
public park in lower Manhatten.
painted in a NYC scheme.
21.) December 12, 2006 - B&H 2-6-0
steamer #11 was sold to the Everett Railroad in
2006,
and
was
moved
to
the
shops
of
the
Western
Maryland
Scenic Railroad
for restoration!
see
pics
here.
22.) Sometime in 2006, NYLE 6101 -
Alco C425 - was sold to the Delaware-Lackawanna
and
moved to Scranton.
23.) Sometime in 2006, MHWA 2453 -
Alco C425 - moved to Scranton.
24.) Sometime in 2006, South Buffalo
Alco S2 #77, owned by the WNYRHS, moved from
Arcade to Gowanda.
New York state lost 5 Alcos during 2006.
One scrapped, and four skipped town.
2007
25.) March 2007 - Trigen ALCO
S-6 #2 spotted in the FGLK Geneva, NY yard, sent
there to
have some work done on it.
26.) May 8, 2007 - Trigen ALCO
S-6 #2 leaves Geneva heading back to Solvay.
27.) May 8, 2007 - NYSW M636 3666
spotted back in service. she was given a new
computer.
28.) June 26, 2007 - after many
years in Victor, NY, Ontario Central Alco RS36
418 leaves
Victor for the last time and is moved
to
Geneva
on
the
FGLK,
and
will
then
be
moved
to Lakeville on the LAL.
This
is
due
to
the
sale
of
the
ONCT
to
Finger Lakes Railway by LAL.
LAL is keeping the 418.
Finally
this
long
elusive
unit
can
be
photographed!
:)
Summer 2007 - Lots of activity going
on in NY Alco Land! :)
ONCT
418
leaves
Victor
for
Lakeville,
and
reports
abound
that
the LAL family
of
Alcos
could
increase
by
possibly
as
many
as
THIRTEEN
new units before
the year is out! (although some will be leased)
including
all
EIGHT
of
the
Cartier
units
from
the
Susquehanna!
very exciting
news!
These
units
are
suspected
to
be
for
the
new
WNYP operation, to be based
in
Olean.
click
here
for all the news. I will update this page when
the units
actually arrive.
as
of
July
9,
none
of
the
new
engines
are
on LAL property yet.
The
13
units
possibly
coming
to
the
LAL
system
are
the 8 Cartier
6-axle Alcos/MLW's
plus SIXX 73.
plus four more 4-axle Centuries:
Seminole Gulf #550, and M&E units #4264,
4223, & 4228.
29.) July 2007 - BSOR
Alco
S2's 84 and 107 are moved (a short
distance) from their
long-time storage place.
Eden, NY (south of Buffalo)
for
reasons
as
yet
unknown.
both
units
have
been
long
out of service.
30.) July 12, 2007 - The M420TR
that has been sitting in Jamesville for years is
finally
on the move! Moved from Jamesville to Utica on
7/12/07.
(then to the Rome shop)
The
unit,
RHXS
27,
has
been
leased
to
the
Adirondack
Scenic Railroad.
31.) July 20, 2007 - The first of the
potential Thirteen new LAL Alcos arrives in
Lakeville.
Alco C425 WNYP 550.
32.) August 1, 2007 - Rumours
abound that NYSW might sell its Utica
shop.
although
not
confirmed,
NYSW
did
in
fact
move
some
units
out of Utica
over to Syracuse on August 4.
The
three
Cartier
units
in
Utica
moved
over
to
Syracuse,
dead in tow.
The other five Cartier units are in Binghamton.
33.) August 3, 2007 - The 2nd and 3rd
of the potential Thirteen new LAL Alcos arrive
in Cohocton,
coming in from the East to Painted Post via
NS.
Alco C424 RRPX 4223 and Alco C425 WNYP 4264.
The
eight
NYSW
Cartier
units
are
gathering
in
small
herds,
hopefully to
move soon to the LAL!
5
units
are
in
Binghamton,
3664,
3666,
3668,
3670,
and
3672
and 3 in Syracuse. 3660, 3662, and 3674.
34.) August 2007 - The
Fourth new Alco of 2007 joins the LAL roster.
Former SIXX 73,
a
M630,
which
has
been
operating
in
Cohocton
on
the
B&H,
formally
becomes
WNYP
631.
Number
631
is
the
first
MLW
on the roster.
August 3, 2007 - the WNYP opens its
new line from Machias Jct. to Driftwood, PA on
the
former
NS
Buffalo
line.
Work
begins
on
the
new
WNYP
"hub" at Olean,
where many of these new LAL Alcos will be based.
Before now, the WNYP enginehouse has been
located in Falconer.
35.) August 2007 - LAL RS1
#20 goes into storage in Lakeville, needs wheel
work.
36.) August 18, 2007 - The first
of the three Cartier units arrive back in
Cohocton!
Former
Susquehanna 3664, 3666 and 3668. all are MLW636
units. see pics here.
These
would be units 5,6 and 7 of the potential 13 new
units.
37.) September 14, 2007 - Two
more Cartier units arrive in Cohocton, 3670 and
3674.
38.) September 17, 2007 - Two
more Cartier units arrive in Cohocton, 3660 and
77.
That
makes 7 of the 8 Cartier units back in Cohocton!
Only 3672 remains in Binghamton.
39.) September 19, 2007 - RRPX
4428, a C424, arrives in Cohocton.
4228
is the last of the 13 new units joining the LAL
roster in 2007!
(well..some
of those 13 are leased)
40.) October 6, 2007 - The first
of the Cartier units is back in service with the
WNYP!
former
NYSW 3666, renumbured to WNYP 636, left
Cohocton and went to her new
assignment
with the WNYP in Olean, she recieved new red
paint in Cohocton, new Red
painted
over the Cartier orange on the cab, (but not a
full paintjob) she is now
Red
& Black vs. the old Orange & Black.
A
total of 4 alcos moved from Cohocton to Olean on
10/6/2007.
WNYP
4264 (C425)
RRPX
4223 (C424)
RRPX
4228 (C424)
WNYP
636 (M636)
41.) November 8, 2007 - The last
of the 8 Cartier units, 3672, arrives in
Cohocton
from
Binghamton. the Susquehanna railroad (and
Binghamton, NY) are now
Alco-free
once again.
7
of the 8 Cartier units are OOS in Cohocton, one
is back in service over in Olean
(WNYP
636)
42.) November 24, 2007 - Two GVT
Alcos arrive in New York state from
Scranton:
Alco
S6 1044 - going to the DLW in Batavia.
Alco
RS32 2035 - going to the Falls Road in Lockport.
S6 1044 will replace MLW RS18 1801 in Batavia.
1801 will be sent back to Scranton.
and 2035 will probably replace one of the FRRR
units, but by the end of 2007 it has
not yet happened.
Also in November 2007, the DLWR in Batavia moved
into its new facilities, a former
NYC roundhouse in Batavia!
End of year
summary for 2007
Wow, 2007 was a busy year in NY
Alco land! :) lots of changes, and all for the
better!
The big news was that all eight of the
"Cartier engines" transferred from the
Susquehanna to the Livonia, Avon & Lakeville.
All 8 moved from Binghamton to Cohocton during
the year. at the end of the year, only one was
in service (WNYP 636 in Olean), the other seven
remain in Cohocton undergoing work for an
eventual return to service. (it is still unknown if all 8 will
return to service..the two C636's are
particularly doubtful. 3662 is the only one of the 7 that
never actually operated with NYSW)
A total of 13 new units join the
LAL/WNYP during 2007! including the 8 Cartier units. most
are destined for the new Olean operation.
The M420TR, RHXS 27, finally shows
some activity, as it is moved from Jamesville to
Utica, then to the Rome shop to begin some
repairs so that it can go to work on the
Adirondack Scenic. (by the end of the year it had not yet
returned to service.) the unit is privately
owned and is being leased to the ADCX.
Much activity finally began on the
"Colonie Alcos" during 2007. The Alco FA looks like it will finally
be moved and saved, the fate of the other
engines is still unclear..the word "scrapping"
still hangs in the air.
New York State loses three "Alco
locations" on the map during 2007. First, Victor, NY, when the ONCT is
sold to the FGLK by the LAL. the one Alco in
Victor, LAL RS36 418, moves from Victor to
Lakeville.
Second, Binghamton, NY.. long the "Alco mecca" of the North
East, with D&H alcos running into the
1980's, and Susquehanna alcos running up until
2007, Binghamton ends the year 100% alco-free. very sad.
Third, Jamesville, NY, which only
contained the M420TR, which has now moved to
Utica.
But NY state gains a new "Alco
Location" on the map during 2007! Olean, NY, which becomes a new
LAL/WNYP base of operations.
NYSW becomes Alco-free during 2007,
for the second, and probably last time. No more Susquehanna Alcos in Utica,
Syracuse or Binghamton.
Six Alcos entered NY state from
outside: Seminole Gulf #550, M&E units
#4264, 4223, & 4228. (for the LAL/WNYP) and GVT 1044 and 2035, for the DLWR
and Falls Road. No Alcos left the state or were
scrapped during 2007! so the Alco population for the state
increased by six units.
2008
43.) March 2008 - Western Maryland
Alco FA2 No. 302 finally escapes Colonie!
stored there for over a decade with the rest of
the derelict Alcos, 302 is owned
by the WMRHS,
who finally got her moved out of Colonie. The
unit sat at Albany's
Kenwood yard for a few months, and in July it
arrived on the
West Virginia Central Railroad where restoration
will begin.
New York State loses one Alco, but its good
news!
44.) April 8, 2008 - Lots of Alcos on
the WNYP reported OOS with various ailments:
630 had turbo failure and now is having air
compressor worked on.
421 has water pump trouble.
4264 has electrical problem with main
generator.
4223 needs wheels turned at Greenville.
4228 has an electrical problem
(report
from
smtimko
at railfan.net)
45.) April, May, June or July
2008 - After spending two years on the Falls
Road, doing the
Lockport-Medina-Brockport
runs, DLWR RS11 1804 quietly left the Falls Road
in
Lockport and headed down to Scranton. She was
still in Lockport on April
5,
and
was in Scranton by July
25.
46.) May 2008 - Arkansas & Missouri
Alco C424's number 32 and 34 arrive
in NY state, on
long-term
lease from the A&M, to operate the new
Ethanol plant in Fulton, NY.
32 arrived
in May, and 34 arrived in August.
47.) July 2008 - WNYP 421 is back in
service.
48.) July 2008 - WNYP 630 is back in
service.
49.) August 14, 2008 - LAL
418
returns to service in Lakeville. She was
doing test runs
out
on the road with her Ontario Central lettering
removed and no new lettering in
its
place..yet.
50.) August 22, 2008 - Trigen
Alco S6 No. 2 is spotted in Geneva again,
having some work
done by the FGLK.
51.) August 23, 2008 - WNYP 631
returns to service! reported
testing out of Cohocton.
WNYP
631 is ex SIXX 73, ex Minnesota Commercial
# 73, nee CP Rail #4573,
(not
one of the "Cartier Eight")
52.) August 2008 - Buffalo Southern
Alco C420 No. 2010 is taken out of service for
truck issues. Windows boarded up and stored in
Hamburg.
53.) September 4, 2008 - WNYP 631
leaves Cohocton and heads over to Olean.
54.) September - WNYP 637 and 638, the
next two Cartier engines in line, are returned
to
service in Cohocton.
When we began 2008, only one of the
eight "Cartier engines" on the LAL/WNYP was
operating, WNYP 636 (the former NYSW 3666) was in
Olean..the other seven units remained OOS in
Cochoton..In September 2008, some more return to
service!
56.) September 10, 2008 - Another
Cartier unit returns to operation! WNYP
638 is out on the road, testing
between Cohocton and
Painted Post. She has only recieved a "patch" on
the cab with new number,
no other repainting.
WNYP 638 is ex NYSW 3672, ex SIXX 75, nee
Cartier 75.
57.) September 15, 2008 - Five days
later sister unit WNYP 637 joins 638 for a testing
run
to Painted Post. (thank you Richard for all the
great pictures! :)
637 has been given a new paintjob over the
entire cab (and the end of the long hood)
recieving a new coat of paint that is more Red
than the original Cartier Orange.
WNYP 637 is ex NYSW 3668, ex SIXX 47, ex Cartier
47, nee CN 2312.
58.) September 24, 2008 - 637 and 638
head
west
to Olean, making FIVE total of the big
6-axle units operating on the WNYP! (630,
631, 636, 637, 638)
and three of the eight Cartier engines back in
service! (636, 637, 638)
59.) October 10, 2008 - WNYP C430 No.
432 is back
in service in Lakeville.
60.) December 16, 2008 - WNYP 4264 is
back in service out of Falconer.
End of year summary for 2008
Two Alcos left NY
state during 2008:
Western Maryland Alco FA2 No. 302
finally escaped the Colonie death pit! she
headed down to West Virginia to begin
restoration..very good news.
And DLWR RS11 1804 left Lockport and headed
home to Scranton.
But two new Alcos entered the state
during 2008! so there was no net loss of units,
It remains at 126 units.
But there was a gain in operating
units during 2008!
Four LAL units returned to active service! three
of them big 6-axle units:
WNYP 631 WNYP 637 WNYP 638
All three refurbished in Cohocton then
sent west to Olean.
and LAL 432 also returns to service in
Lakeville, making a total of 17 active LAL Alcos
at the end of 2008, compared to only 13 active
at the start of 2008.
Plus the two A&M units at the
Ethanol plant in Fulton, equals an increase of 6
active Alcos
during 2008! a good year..
2009
61.) April 2009 - LAL Alco C424 Number
424 has moved from Falconer to Cohocton.
62.) April 2009 - MLW M636, Former
NYSW 3664, recently Alco-C 3664, has been
relettered
to
RRPX
41
in
Cohocton.
63.) May 11, 2009 - RRPX M636
number 41 leaves
Cohocton and returns to service, heading
over
to
Olean
on
the
WNYP.
She
is
the
fourth
of the M636 "Pumpkins" to be
returned to service by the
Cohocton shops, (great work guys!)
This
leaves
only
4
of
the
6-axle
units
still
in
Cohocton, 3660, 3662, 3670,
and 3674.
64.) June 12, 2009 - WNYP 432
leaves Lakeville and heads back "home" to the
WNYP in
Olean,
taking
the
LAL
observation
car
"Traveler"
with
her.
65.) July 14, 2009 - Finally!
after many years of no information, the former
South Buffalo
Alco S4 #92 is finally
spotted! photos appear on the internet:
Thanks to Ron S. for alerting me to those
photos.
(unfortunately,
with
those
links
in
that
particular
format,
I
cant
tell the name of the photographer)
Based
on
the
buildings
in
the
background,
I
could
determine
that those
photos show the
unit that has been at Outokumpu American Brass
Co. for
many years..Outokumpu was sold, and is now "Luvata Buffalo, Inc."
70 Sayre Street.
The
unit
is
at
the
Sayre
st.
facility,
and
appears
to be in use.
66.) July 15, 2009 - RRPX M636
number 43 leaves Cohocton and returns to work!
Now
making
FIVE
of
the
eight
big
"Cartier
units"
returned
to service!
67.) September 1, 2009 - A
re-shuffling of some Locomotive road numbers
on the LAL.
Steve
posted
a note on the LAL forum on Railroad.net:
Re:
LA&L,
WNYP, B&H Diesel Status
by Smtimko on
Thu Aug 20, 2009 2:40 pm
Greg:
Some notes for your update on the above topic. This
info is "official" from an inside source.
The three C-424's at Lakeville: # 320, 321 and 319
HAD been assigned WNYP # 427, 428 and 429 (in that
order) at one time, but that has changed. They no
longer are assigned those 4xx series numbers.
Unit #320 will NOT be rebuilt and placed in service.
Will continue to be an organ donor for other units.
#321 and #319 MAY be rebuilt at a much later date.
If so, new numbers will be assigned at that time.
Unit #550 will be assigned WNYP #428.
Unit #4228 is OWNED by WNYP and will be renumbered
WNYP 435.
Unit #4223 is OWNED by WNYP and will be renumbered
WNYP 434.
Unit #4264 will become WNYP #427.
The current management team has taken a more
realistic look at the line's traffic levels and is
proceeding as above.
SMT
Thanks for that update Steve!
This now means that the three stored units in
Lakeville no longer have road numbers,
for the forseeable future.
Also several operating units have recieved new
numbers.
I have updated the main page to reflect these
changes.
the three stored units: Alco C424m - LAL
427, ex-GBW 320, nee EL 2412 Alco C424m - LAL
428, ex-GBW 321, nee EL
2415 Alco C424m - LAL
429, ex-GBW 319, nee PRR
2415, (the only C424 PRR owned.) Never
officially wore those LAL numbers..they were numbers
"on paper" only.
None of the three have yet operated with the LAL,
they have been stored alongside the Lakeville
enginehouse ever since they arrived in September
2002.
(the three units were sold to LAL by GBW in 2001,
arrived in Lakeville Sep 2002)
LAL roster increases by 2 units, from 26 units to 28
units, as two former leased units offically
join the roster, the new WNYP 434 and WNYP 435.
I changed the model number of:
WNYP 630
Alco
C630m
7-1968
.M6002-1
Olean
operating
ex A&M 70, nee CP
4500
to:
WNYP 630
MLW
C630m
7-1968
.M6002-1
Olean
operating
ex A&M 70, nee CP
4500
Because WNYP 630 was
Canadian built, not Schenectady..which would make her
a MLW C630m,
not an Alco C630m. MLW did produce some Century series
locomotives that were given a "C" designation,
as in C630, instead of a M designation, as in
M630...All Schenectady built locos were given a "C",
but MLW-built locos could have a "C" or an "M"
designation, depending on the year built..
Canadian locos were labeled "C", along with their
American sisters, until the end of Schenectady production in
1969. At that point, MLW production switched to the
"M" designation.
64.) October 2009 -
GVT RS11 3603 is confirmed scrapped. (I got
conformation from GVT)
the unit was a parts engine that sat in
Lancaster, NY on the DLWR for many years.
DLWR 3603
Alco
RS-11
8/1956
81937
Lancaster
parts unit
ex CV 3603, nee DWP
3603
Originally Central Vermont 3603, built
in 1956. the unit was moved to the Gould
industrial
plant in Depew in 2007, and was cut up there in
2009. the nose of the unit is sitting in Lockport
yard, for reasons unknown.
68.) October 2009 - from a relaible
source: MHWA 2454 in
Carthage, along with 642.
MHWA
805 and 2456 in Utica.
69.) December 2009 - Bath & Hammondsport
(LAL) number 422 has moved from her
normal assignmant in
Cohocton over to Lakeville for some work in the
shop.
She was
spotted around the Lakeville yard and out on the
road up to Rochester a few
times in December. (422
is the only one of the Centuries lettered for the
B&H)
2009 - US Army #618, 0-6-0 steam
locomotive, is moved from Cooperstown NY to
Eckhart Mines, MD.
US ARMY 618
0-6-0
1942 Schenectady
70420
Cooperstown
display
US ARMY 618
.
End of year
summary for 2009
A relatively "slow" year!
generally things stayed about the same..which is good
news!
Two MLW's were returned to service this year, and no
Alcos entered or left the state in 2009,
although one was scrapped.
We lost DLWR Alco RS11 number 3603, which was a parts
unit for many years.
(it probably never actually operated with DLWR) the
unit was scrapped in Depew.
We "gained" a new Alco S3! the only one in the
state!
Tonawanda Coke number 1976.
It has actually been in the state since 1978, but it
was listed as a "mystery" loco in past years.
we finally confirmed its existance in 2009.
Two more of the big MLW's were returned to service in
2009!
MLW M636 RRPX 41 in May, and sister M636 RRPX 43 in
July.
Both were returned to service by the LAL shop forces
in Cohocton, and went to work with their siblings out
on the WNYP. Making Five of the eight "Cartier units"
returned to service!
leaving only three still OOS in Cochocton. (3660, 3662, and 3674.)
(It is still believed 3660 and 3662, the two
C636 demonstrators, will likely never return
to service)
LAL did some number shuffling, and a few units
were re-classified on this list.
overall, a good year for NY Alcos!
And we lost an Alco steam engine, as the 0-6-0
in Cooperstown was sold and left the state.
2010
70.) January 2010 - RRPX 43 sneaks
out of the state, and heads to the B&P
Butler, PA shops,
probably for some wheel work. (thats the reason
other LAL/WNYP units have gone to
Butler before.)
71.) February 1, 2010 - LAL units are
spotted with new 45th
anniversary
decals applied!
So far, LAL
418, 420, 423, 424, and 425 have the new
Anniversary logos. another
photo.
72.) February 18, 2010 - LAL 420 and 425, the
regular Rochester road set, are seen
operating
in an unusual
"both cabs inward" configuration.
73.) March 22, 2010 - WNYP Alco C430
No. 430 is reported
OOS with a bad traction motor.
74.) May 2010 - The big MLW C630M, No.
2028, photo,
is scrapped in Cohocton.
This unit arrived at the B&H/LAL shops in
Cohocton "for evaluation" on January 22, 2010.
the unit
was probably always intended for parts, she was
used as a parts source for the
last
Cartier MLW being returned to service in
Cohocton (3674) Parts were removed from
2028, and the remains
were scrapped
in Cohocton in May.
MLW C630M, serial number
M3497-2
nee Canadian National 2028 - built March 1968.
to Cape Breton & Central Nova Scotia 2028 (in 1993)
to IBCX (Indiana Boxcar) 2028 (in 2001)
brought to Cohocton, NY, for parts, in January 2010.
Scrapped May 2010, Cohocton, NY
(the two Alco C636
Demonstrators, 3660 and 3662, are still in Cohocton
as well,
but there are no plans, at present, to return either
to service.)
76.) April 30, 2010 - Staten Island Railway Alco
S1 No. 407 leaves
Staten Island, and is shipped
by truck to its new home, the
Catskill Mountain Railroad in Mount Tremper, NY.
She is now the new CMRR
No. 407. She arrived May 6, 2010.
76.) June 21, 2010 - The second Staten Island
Alco, SIRT 821, leaves
Staten Island and is
trucked to its new home,
the Upper Hudson River Railroad, in North Creek, NY.
(status of the two locomotives in early
2010)
SIRT 407
Alco S1
..
..
Clifton, Staten Island
OOS
ex - LIRR
..
SIRT 821
Alco S2
..
..
Clifton, Staten Island
OOS
ex- US Army 821
..
This leaves no Alcos on
Staten Island! but neither is leaving NY state!
which is good news..both 407 and 821 will likely be
used in excursion service by their new owners. I
will remove staten Island from the map, and add
Mount Tremper!
76.) June 24, 2010 - Added a mysterious MLW
M420(W) to the NYLE Roster,
even thought
she (probably) isnt in NY state:
.Locomotive
Type
.Year
Built.
.Builders
#.
.Current
location.
Status
Heritage
..Photo..
NYLE 3568
MLW M420(W)
1976
M6092-09
Titusville, PA
??
ex CN 3568, nee CN
2568:1
I had never heard of this
locomotive before! anyone know the
story? and why isnt she in Gowanda?
77.) September 2010 - JRWX 111, a leased Alco S4,
arrives at the Suez powerplant in Solvay.
78.) October 2010 - RRPX 85 - MLW M636, is
returned to service by the LAL shops in
Cohocton,
and heads
over to Olean to join her sisters on the WNYP. Now
all six of the M636's are back
in service! Only the two
Alco C636 demonstrators remain in Cohocton. (no
current plans
for them) 79.) November 2010 - RRPX 2338, ex CN 2338, a MLW
M636, arrives on the WNYP in Olean.
80.) December 2010 - A new locomotive for the
Adirondack Scenic arrives. the new Adirondack
No. 1845, a MLW RS18u, arrives in Utica.
End of
year summary for 2010
2010 was a busy year!
Sadly, one Alco was
scrapped in NY state during 2010, MLW C630M 2028, scrapped in
Cohocton. but she was bought
purposly as a parts unit, was already in poor
condition when moved to NY,
and her parts are being used to keep the other WNYP
MLW's alive.
Two Alcos migrated to new
homes in 2010! The two Staten Island locomotives.
SIRT 407 is now Catskill Mountain Railroad 401.
SIRT 821 is now Upper Hudson River Railroad 821.
RRPX 85 - MLW M636, is
returned to service by the LAL shops in Cohocton,
and heads over to Olean
to join her sisters on the WNYP. Now all six of the
M636's are back in service! Only the two Alco C636
demonstrators remain in Cohocton. (no current plans
for them)
And three new Alcos came
into NY from the outside! and all three are (or will
be soon) operating locomotives.
Alco S4 - JRWX 111 - at the powerplant in Solvay.
MLW M636 - RRPX 2338 - with the WNYP in Olean.
MLW RS18u - ADIX 1845 - with the Adirondack Scenic
in Utica.
The New York State Alco
population increases by three units, from 126 to 129
units.
2011
81.) February 12, 2011 - RRPX 85 leaves
Olean for the B&P shops in Butler, PA for
some
wheel work.
82.) March 2011 - a new Alco arrives in NY state!
The new Adirondack 1835, a MLW RS18u,
arrives in
Utica in March 2011. She is the ex CP 1835. She will
join sister unit 1845.
83.) March 2011 - MHWA MLW M420W is renumbured
from MHWA 642 to MHWA 2042
84.) April 2011 - The Upper Hudson River Railway
ran its last excursions in 2010, and ceased to exist
on December 31, 2010, when their lease ran out, and
was not renewed. The UHRR existed for 12 seasons,
1999 to 2010.. A new operator is taking over the
line in 2011, the Saratoga
& North Creek. The S&NC begins service
July 23, 2011..the three UHRR Alcos are not being
used for the new service, and are stored at North
Creek.
85.) May 2011 - Adirondack 1845 (MLW RS18u)
recieves a sharp
new Black & Green paintscheme.
86.) June 2011 - RRPX 85 is back in Olean.
87.) June 13, 2011 - Posted on
Railfan.net 6/13/2011 by smtimko:
From official sources:
431 out of service---92 day inspection.
4264 Turbo failure. Replacement turbo on order.
4223 long term OOS. No current plans for restoration
631 prime mover damage, under evaluation. possible
piston head, connecting rod and/or ingested valve.
636 main alternator replacement. Replacement on hand,
not a high priority.
638 traction motor replacement. Replacement on hand.
RRPX 2338 Long term OOS. No current plans for
restoration.
SMT
88.) June 14, 2011 - WNYP 4228 is listedin
service, in Meadville on the WNYP.
89.) June 25, 2011 - LAL 423 is listed
OOS for wheel work.
90.) June 25, 2011 - WNYP 631 is listed
OOS with "major engine failure"
91.) Note on WNYP units 427, 434 and 435.
These three units had their numbers changed "on
paper" back in August 2009.
(see note #67 above)
4264 became WNYP 427
4223 became WNYP 434
4228 became WNYP 435
However, in July 2011,
nearly 2 years later, none of the 3 units have yet
been renumbured!
Status of the three units in July 2011:
WNYP Alco
C425 No. 4264 (427) is
in service in Meadville. WNYP MLW C424m No. 4223 (434) is
"long term OOS, no current plans for restoration"
in Falconer. WNYP MLW C424mNo. 4228 (425) is in service in Falconer.
92.) July 18, 2011 - WNYP 428 is out of the
shop, and begins service
on the LAL.
93.) September 4, 2011 - the newly
arrived Adirondack 1835 is in
service on the ADIX,
still in CP
red paint for now.
94.) St.
Lawrence Alco S4 in Norfolk NY was scrapped
sometime in 2011.
2011 was
another mostly "status quo" year, which is a good
thing! One new Alco arrived in NY state in 2011
(Adirondack 1835) One alco was scrapped, one left
the state, and one was returned to service
(WNYP 428)
2012
96.) January 2012 - WNYP 428 has
been in service on the LAL for 6 months, on the
road trains to
Rochester, still in
Seminole Gulf Blue, and may remain on the LAL.
97.) January 2012 - LAL
423 is back in service on the B&H in
Cohocton.
98.) March
2012 - Sadly, two of the long-derlict Alcos are
scrapped
on the NYLE
in Gowanda,
NY. These two locomotives were in very poor
shape, had been stored and
stripped of parts for
many years, and the remains were finally
scrapped in March 2012.
The two
locomotives scrapped were:
.Locomotive.
Type
.Year
Built.
.Builders
#.
.Current
location.
Status
Heritage
..Photo..
62
Alco S2
76572
Gowanda
parts unit - derelict
ex Falls Creek 62, exx
Mercersburg RR 2, nee LIRR 452
.
5067
Alco C425
.
Gowanda
parts unit - derelict
(CR5067) (CR2431)(PC
2431)(nee PRR 2431)
99.) March 2012 - Word first reaches
the internet that two long-time (since
1998) denizens of
Owego, NY,
have been sold! and will be moving to the WNYP
and B&H! Two MLW RS18u's,
the Owego
& Harford 1811, and Cayuga Rail Leasing 1850
(which seldom operated in Owego)
will be
moving from Owego to Western NY for new careers
with the WNYP and the
Bath &
Hammondsport.
100.)
April 2012 - The Adirondack Railroads last
remaining Alco Century, C424 No. 4243, is sold
to
the Delaware-Lackawanna and
leaves the Adirondacks for Scranton, PA, to
become DL
2403.
101.) June
2012 - Both RS18u's are in Olean on the WNYP.
102.) June
2012 - LAL 428 has been repainted into the full
LAL scheme.
the
first unit to recieve a silver roof instead of a
black roof.
103.)
October 26, 2012 - WNYP 417 is spotted
in new primer.
104.)
2012 - the two A&M Alcos left Fultonville.
.Arkansas & Missouri 32
.Alco C424
.Fulton, leased to Ethanol
plant.
.operating
nee
Belt
Ry.
of
Chicago
601
.Arkansas & Missouri 34
.Alco C424....
.
.
.Fulton, leased to Ethanol
plant.
.operating
nee Belt Ry. of
Chicago 602
105.)
2012 - at some point in 2012 RHXS 27, the MLW
M420TR, moved from Rome to Utica.
The unit is for
sale.
End of year summary for 2012
New
York State lost five Alcos in 2012. Three left the
state (Adirondack C424 4243 to the DL in Scranton,
PA, and the two A&M units in Fulton) And two
were scrapped (Alco S2 NYLE 62, and Alco C425 NYLE
5067.)
Two
Alcos moved within the state! The two Owego &
Harford MLW RS18u's moved from Owego to the
WNYP and B&H.
One
"Alco location" was removed from the map..Owego no
longer has any Alcos.
No
new Alcos arrived..The Alco total drops from 130 to
127 units in 2012
2013
106.)
February 15, 2013 - B&H 416 is now in
Cohocton, in a new coat of "LAL family" black
and
yellow
paint, but without full markings yet.
107.)
April 2013 - The two Trigen Alco S6 units in
Syracuse (Solvay) were sold
and left the
property. They were sold to the George's
Creek Railway of
Maryland.
Suez Plant #1
(formerly Trigen)
Alco S6
.
.
ex Allied Chemical, nee
SP 1064
.
Suez Plant #2 (formerly Trigen)
Alco S6
.
.
.
ex Allied Chemical
,
nee South Buffalo 42(2nd)
.
108.) October 2013 - at
some
point in 2013 WNYP 4223 was moved to Olean
for storage. 4223 was assigned the number WNYP
434 "on paper" but she still wears number 4223
while stored. it's now possible she will never
operate with number 434. 4223 might end up a
parts unit.
109.) November 2013 - D&H Alco RS3 4082 is scrapped
in Colonie.
D&H 4082
Alco RS3
1952
ex B&M, nee
D&H 4082 (1st 4082)
2014
110.)
January 2014 - BSOR 84 and 107 are moved from
Eden to Hamburg.
111.)
August 2014 - Alco news from the Tioga
Scenic in Wellsboro, PA Three Alco RS1's are
scrapped:
Three Alco RS1's were scrapped in
Wellsboro PA in late 2014:
There were Five Alcos on the
Tioga Central in Wellsboro PA from 1994 to 2014.
now there are none.
the three RS1's, listed above, were salvaged for
usable parts, and the rest scrapped..the other two
locomotives were sold and moved:
Alco S2, TIOC 14. - now LAL 14.
Originally Buffalo Creek No. 46.
Sold to the Livonia Avon and Lakeville, who plans to
return the unit to service.
Moved to Cohocton NY in late 2014.
Alco RS3m, TIOC 506. - Now WNYP 506
Originally D&H RS3 4112.
Rebuilt by the D&H into a RS3m in 1975, was the
D&H Bicentennial unit.
Sold to the Livonia Avon and Lakeville, who plans to
return the unit to service.
Moved to Olean NY in October 2014.
Still wearing her D&H Bicentennial paintscheme as
of January 2015, but will likely be repainted.
112.)
August 2014 - two new units for the LAL! Alco S2
#14 and RS3m #506 arrive on the LAL,
see section above for details.
End of year summary for 2013
and 2014
New
York state lost three Alcos, (two Trigen units left
the state, and one RS3 scrapped)
but gained two new Alcos (the new LAL 14 and 506) in
2013/2014. Wellsboro PA and Norfolk NY
are removed from the map.
2015
113.) ADIX
1835 was previously incorrectly listed as 1843,
correction made Jan 2015.
114.) Alco
S2, Ex Albany
Port RR, nee D&H 3011, is scrapped in
Colonie.
..City of Albany D&H 3011
Alco S2.
.
.
.Colonie yard
was stored unservicable
Ex Albany Port RR,
nee D&H 3011
scrapped in 2015
115.) January 2015 - The two Alco C636
Demonstrators were scrapped in Cohocton.
technically
they
were
never
owned
by
the
LAL. They were the only Alco C636's in the
state.
(we
do
still
have
the
eight
MLW
M636's)
3660
Alco
C636
.1968
..
Cohocton
.
ex NYSW 3660, ex RRPX
78, ex Cartier 78, exx-MK 5402, nee Alco
636-2 (Alco demo!)
.
3662
Alco
C636
..1968
..
Cohocton
ex
NYSW 3662, ex SIXX 77, ex Cartier 77, exx-MK
5403, nee Alco 636-3 (Alco demo!)
116.) January 2015 - Two
C424m parts units are scrapped by the LAL in
Lakeville.
these
two
units
had
been
stored
on
the property for over a decade.
LAL (no number)
Alco C424m
6-1963
84554
Lakeville
.
ex LAL 427:1, ex-GBW 320,
nee EL 2412
LAL (no number)
Alco C424m
6-1963
84557
Lakeville
ex LAL 428:1, ex-GBW 321, nee EL 2415
Five NY Alcos scrapped in 2015. :(
2016
117.) In February 2016
to formerly leased units were purchased, and
added to the official WNYP roster. A photo was
posted at www.trainorders.com,
taken in Olean that showed RRPX 85 had been
renumbured to WNYP 685. It's interesting that
WNYP chose to number the unit in the 68x series!
(the first unit in this series) rather than the
already existing 63x series, which all the other
former Cartier units occupy. (and there is still
room for more units in that series) the new
number 685 clearly came from the old number of
85.
Also, at the same time, the former RRPX 43 was
renumbured to WNYP 643.
The two
units were moved from the "WNYP leased units"
catagory in this list, into the main LAL roster.
Increasing the total LAL/B&H/WNYP locomotive
roster from 30 to 32 units.
118.) On June 6, 2016,
WNYP RS3m 406 was unveiled! the former D&H
and Tioga Central 506.
click here: http://www.railroad.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=113
for
photos.
119.) It was confirmed on the WNYP shop tour on
June 6 that WNYP 4223 is now a parts unit. She
was assigned the number WNYP 434 "on paper", but
it's now likely she will never actually wear
that number. 4223 is providing parts for WNYP
430, and other locomotives.
120.) In November 2016 the Livonia Avon &
Lakeville railroad donated their Alco RS1 to the
the
Rochester & Genesee Valley Railroad museum!
LAL 20 moved to the musem in November 2016 is
now part of their permanent operating
collection. http://www.rgvrrm.org/about/railroad/lal20/
121.)
December 13, 2016 - LAL 433 is spotted in fresh
LAL paint! https://www.flickr.com/photos/85501582@N03/31567243331
Finally out of her older NYSW yellowjacket
paint. She is on Type-B trucks
temporarily! Probably "shop trucks" while
her original Hi-Ad trucks are being worked on.
When she later returns to active service out on
the road in 2017, she will be wearing the Hi-Ad
trucks.
2017
122.) June 7, 2017 - LAL
433, Alco C430, is
returned to service! Painted in LAL
corporate paint and lettered for the Livonia
Avon & Lakeville, she working out on the
road on the LAL.
Colonie
NY becomes Alco-free for the first
time since..well, since as long as
Alcos have existed. :( Colonie is
removed from the NY Alco map on this
site, and the NY Alco count drops
from 117 to 115 units.
125.)
Sadly,
Bath & Hammondsport Number
4, Alco S1, was scrapped by
the LAL/B&H in Cohocton NY
in May 2019.
126.) May 2019.
News first
hits the
internet in April 2019 that the WNYP will be retiring and
selling its
6-axle Alcos
and MLW's!
Thought to be
just a rumor
at first, but
within a few
weeks the
story is
confirmed as
being true.
(The 4-axle
Alcos on the
WNYP will
soldier on,
with no
current plans
for retirement
or
replacement.)
The big MLW
M636's (plus
one MLW C636)
have been
operating on
the WNYP since
2007, twelve
years! but
their reign in
Western NY is
coming to an
end in 2019.
They are going
to be replaced
by second-hand
CSX 6-axle
GE's. This
will be the
first non-Alco
power ever on
the WNYP.
The arrival
dates for each
of the 6-axle
Alco/MLW on
the WNYP can
be found on
this page,
above. They
first arrived
in Cohocton in
2002, spent
some time with
the
Susquehanna,
then went to
the WNYP. The
first of the
Cartier MLW's
arrived in
Olean in
October 2007.
The WNYP
6-axle roster
for the past
decade to 12
years has been
nine units:
Status at the
beginning of
2019:
Locomotive
Type
.Year
Built.
Builders #.
Current location
Status
Heritage
..Photo.
WNYP
630
MLW
C630m
7-1968
.M6002-01
Olean
operating
ex A&M 70, nee
CP 4500
.
WNYP 631
MLW
M630
1969
.M6030-08
Olean
OOS
ex SIXX 73, ex
Minnesota Commercial # 73, nee CP
Rail #4573. *note2
WNYP 636
MLW
M636
7-1970
.M6037-05
Olean
OOS
ex NYSW
3666, ex NYSW 6366,
ex SIXX 45, exx Cartier 45, nee CN 2304
WNYP 637
MLW M636
7-1970
.M6037-13
Olean
operating
ex Alco-C
3668, ex NYSW 3668,
ex SIXX 47, ex Cartier 47, nee CN 2312
WNYP 638
MLW M636
10-1973
.M6072-02
Olean
operating
ex NYSW 3672, ex
SIXX 75, nee Cartier 75
WNYP 643
MLW M636
..1970
Olean
operating
ex RRPX 43,
ex NYSW 3670, ex NYSW 6370, ex SIXX 43,
exx Cartier 43, nee CN 2302
WNYP 685
MLW M636
.1975
Olean
operating
ex RRPX 85, ex NYSW
3674, ex RRPX 85, nee Cartier 85
RRPX 41
MLW
M636
..1970
..
Olean
operating
ex Alco-C
3664, ex NYSW 3664, ex SIXX 41,
ex Cartier 41, nee CN 2300
RRPX 2338
MLW M636
1971
M6052-19
Olean
OOS
ex CN
2338 *note 7
(There were also the two C636 demonstrators, also
ex-Cartier
units, they
never made it
to the WNYP
and were
scrapped in
Cohocton in
2015, making a
total of
eleven 6-axle
Alco/MLW's
that spent
time on the
B&H/WNYP.
They only
operated with
the NYSW and
WNYP while in
NY state.)
127.) May 2019.
The first of
the nine
6-axle units
leaves the
WNYP, when
RRPX 41
departs Olean
NY, heading
south to new
owner
Delaware-Lackawanna
in Scranton
PA.
RRPX 41
MLW
M636
..1970
..
left Olean for
Scranton May 2019
ex Alco-C
3664, ex NYSW 3664, ex SIXX 41,
ex Cartier 41, nee CN 2300
No. 41 departed
Olean on
May 28, 2019,
and arrived in
Scranton on
June 1.
