Alco movements and migrations.
This page is a sub-page of the NY Alcos site.
1.) a reported leased Alco S2 at Fox
Ridge, NY. north of Auburn.
2.) NYSEG #8, Alco S2, former LIRR
453, at Milliken station, Ludlowville.
3.) Alco C420 was in Jamesville, NY
4.) Minnesota Commercial M630 # 73
arrived in Falconer, on the WNY&P,
5.) NYLE Alco S2 #85 is now in
6.) WNYP C430 #430, former Susquehanna
3000, was repainted into LAL family colors
7.) LAL 424 was also sent west to
Falconer, with #430, on 12/27/05.
note! (424 and 430 didnt actually make it to Falconer on 12/27/05..see note #9 below)
8.) WNYP 631 - MLW M630 - stored in
Cohocton as of 12/31/2005.
9.) January 10, 2006 - turns out WNYP
430 and LAL 424 didnt actually make it to
10.) January 18, 2006
The units arent going to stay in these new
locations for long, here is where they
10.) January 21, 2006
11.) February 1, 2006
12.) Delaware-Lackawanna Alco C420
#334 moved to the Scranton, PA shops in
13.) May 2006. Depew, Lancaster &
Western RS11 1804 appeared on the Falls Road
14.) June 2006, got a report from our
intrepid Binghamton reporter Andy B. that
15.) June 2006, Two of the NYCH
Alco S1's leave NY state for NJ.
NYCH 11, Currently forsale
11 is ex Massena Terminal 11
- Paul Strubeck"
16,) June 21, 2006, LAL 421
leaves Avon bound for Falconer, with the
Traveler in tow.
17.) July 28, 2006 -
LAL 432 (Alco C430) arrives in Lakeville from
18.) 2006 - NYCH Alco S4 #11 was
19.) LAL 433 (Former Susquehanna
Alco C430 3006) is in the LAL Lakeville shop
20.) August 10, 2006. New York Cross
Harbor Alco S1 #25 floated across New York
21.) December 12, 2006 - B&H 2-6-0
steamer #11 was sold to the Everett Railroad in
22.) Sometime in 2006, NYLE 6101 -
Alco C425 - was sold to the Delaware-Lackawanna
23.) Sometime in 2006, MHWA 2453 - Alco C425 - moved to Scranton.
24.) Sometime in 2006, South Buffalo
Alco S2 #77, owned by the WNYRHS, moved from
New York state lost 5 Alcos during 2006.
25.) March 2007 - Trigen ALCO
S-6 #2 spotted in the FGLK Geneva, NY yard, sent
26.) May 8, 2007 - Trigen ALCO S-6 #2 leaves Geneva heading back to Solvay.
27.) May 8, 2007 - NYSW M636 3666 spotted back in service. she was given a new computer.
28.) June 26, 2007 - after many
years in Victor, NY, Ontario Central Alco RS36
Summer 2007 - Lots of activity going
on in NY Alco Land! :)
29.) July 2007 - BSOR
S2's 84 and 107 are moved (a short
distance) from their
30.) July 12, 2007 - The M420TR
that has been sitting in Jamesville for years is
31.) July 20, 2007 - The first of the
potential Thirteen new LAL Alcos arrives in
32.) August 1, 2007 - Rumours
abound that NYSW might sell its Utica
33.) August 3, 2007 - The 2nd and 3rd
of the potential Thirteen new LAL Alcos arrive
34.) August 2007 - The
Fourth new Alco of 2007 joins the LAL roster.
Former SIXX 73,
August 3, 2007 - the WNYP opens its
new line from Machias Jct. to Driftwood, PA on
35.) August 2007 - LAL RS1 #20 goes into storage in Lakeville, needs wheel work.
36.) August 18, 2007 - The first
of the three Cartier units arrive back in
37.) September 14, 2007 - Two more Cartier units arrive in Cohocton, 3670 and 3674.
38.) September 17, 2007 - Two
more Cartier units arrive in Cohocton, 3660 and
39.) September 19, 2007 - RRPX
4428, a C424, arrives in Cohocton.
40.) October 6, 2007 - The first
of the Cartier units is back in service with the
total of 4 alcos moved from Cohocton to Olean on
41.) November 8, 2007 - The last
of the 8 Cartier units, 3672, arrives in
42.) November 24, 2007 - Two GVT
Alcos arrive in New York state from
S6 1044 will replace MLW RS18 1801 in Batavia.
1801 will be sent back to Scranton.
Also in November 2007, the DLWR in Batavia moved
into its new facilities, a former
End of year summary for 2007
Wow, 2007 was a busy year in NY
Alco land! :)
The big news was that all eight of the
"Cartier engines" transferred from the
A total of 13 new units join the
LAL/WNYP during 2007!
The M420TR, RHXS 27, finally shows
some activity, as it is moved from Jamesville to
Much activity finally began on the
"Colonie Alcos" during 2007.
New York State loses three "Alco
locations" on the map during 2007.
Second, Binghamton, NY..
Third, Jamesville, NY, which only contained the M420TR, which has now moved to Utica.
But NY state gains a new "Alco
Location" on the map during 2007!
NYSW becomes Alco-free during 2007,
for the second, and probably last time.
Six Alcos entered NY state from
43.) March 2008 - Western Maryland
Alco FA2 No. 302 finally escapes Colonie!
44.) April 8, 2008 - Lots of Alcos on the WNYP reported OOS with various ailments:
630 had turbo failure and now is having air
compressor worked on.
45.) April, May, June or July
2008 - After spending two years on the Falls
Road, doing the
46.) May 2008 - Arkansas & Missouri
Alco C424's number 32 and 34 arrive
in NY state, on
47.) July 2008 - WNYP 421 is back in service.
48.) July 2008 - WNYP 630 is back in service.
49.) August 14, 2008 - LAL
returns to service in Lakeville. She was
doing test runs
50.) August 22, 2008 - Trigen
Alco S6 No. 2 is spotted in Geneva again,
having some work
51.) August 23, 2008 - WNYP 631
returns to service! reported
testing out of Cohocton.
52.) August 2008 - Buffalo Southern
Alco C420 No. 2010 is taken out of service for
53.) September 4, 2008 - WNYP 631 leaves Cohocton and heads over to Olean.
54.) September - WNYP 637 and 638, the
next two Cartier engines in line, are returned
55.) September 5, 2008 - WNYP 631 is back
When we began 2008, only one of the
eight "Cartier engines" on the LAL/WNYP was
56.) September 10, 2008 - Another
Cartier unit returns to operation!
57.) September 15, 2008 - Five days
later sister unit WNYP 637 joins 638 for a testing
58.) September 24, 2008 - 637 and 638
to Olean, making FIVE total of the big
59.) October 10, 2008 - WNYP C430 No.
432 is back
in service in Lakeville.
Two Alcos left NY
state during 2008:
Western Maryland Alco FA2 No. 302
finally escaped the Colonie death pit! she
headed down to West Virginia to begin
restoration..very good news.
But two new Alcos entered the state
during 2008! so there was no net loss of units,
But there was a gain in operating
units during 2008!
All three refurbished in Cohocton then
sent west to Olean.
and LAL 432 also returns to service in
Lakeville, making a total of 17 active LAL Alcos
at the end of 2008, compared to only 13 active
at the start of 2008.
Plus the two A&M units at the
Ethanol plant in Fulton, equals an increase of 6
63.) May 11, 2009 - RRPX M636
number 41 leaves
Cohocton and returns to service, heading
64.) June 12, 2009 - WNYP 432
leaves Lakeville and heads back "home" to the
65.) July 14, 2009 - Finally!
after many years of no information, the former
Thanks to Ron S. for alerting me to those photos.
(unfortunately, with those links in that particular format, I cant tell the name of the photographer)
Based on the buildings in the background, I could determine that those
photos show the unit that has been at Outokumpu American Brass Co. for
many years..Outokumpu was sold, and is now "Luvata Buffalo, Inc."
70 Sayre Street.
The unit is at the Sayre st. facility, and appears to be in use.
66.) July 15, 2009 - RRPX M636 number 43 leaves Cohocton and returns to work!
Now making FIVE of the eight big "Cartier units" returned to service!
67.) September 1, 2009 - A re-shuffling of some Locomotive road numbers on the LAL.
Steve posted a note on the LAL forum on Railroad.net:
Re: LA&L, WNYP, B&H Diesel Status
by Smtimko on Thu Aug 20, 2009 2:40 pm
Some notes for your update on the above topic. This info is "official" from an inside source.
The three C-424's at Lakeville: # 320, 321 and 319 HAD been assigned WNYP # 427, 428 and 429 (in that order) at one time, but that has changed. They no longer are assigned those 4xx series numbers.
Unit #320 will NOT be rebuilt and placed in service. Will continue to be an organ donor for other units.
#321 and #319 MAY be rebuilt at a much later date. If so, new numbers will be assigned at that time.
Unit #550 will be assigned WNYP #428.
Unit #4228 is OWNED by WNYP and will be renumbered WNYP 435.
Unit #4223 is OWNED by WNYP and will be renumbered WNYP 434.
Unit #4264 will become WNYP #427.
The current management team has taken a more realistic look at the line's traffic levels and is proceeding as above.
This now means that the three stored units in Lakeville no longer have road numbers,
for the forseeable future.
Also several operating units have recieved new numbers.
I have updated the main page to reflect these changes.
the three stored units:
Alco C424m - LAL 427, ex-GBW 320, nee EL 2412
Alco C424m - LAL 428, ex-GBW 321, nee EL 2415
Alco C424m - LAL 429, ex-GBW 319, nee PRR 2415, (the only C424 PRR owned.)
Never officially wore those LAL numbers..they were numbers "on paper" only.
None of the three have yet operated with the LAL, they have been stored alongside the Lakeville
enginehouse ever since they arrived in September 2002.
(the three units were sold to LAL by GBW in 2001, arrived in Lakeville Sep 2002)
LAL roster increases by 2 units, from 26 units to 28 units, as two former leased units offically
join the roster, the new WNYP 434 and WNYP 435.
I changed the model number of:
Because WNYP 630 was Canadian built, not Schenectady..which would make her a MLW C630m,
not an Alco C630m. MLW did produce some Century series locomotives that were given a "C" designation,
as in C630, instead of a M designation, as in M630...All Schenectady built locos were given a "C", but MLW-built locos could have a "C" or an "M" designation, depending on the year built..
Canadian locos were labeled "C", along with their American sisters, until the end of Schenectady production in 1969. At that point, MLW production switched to the "M" designation.
64.) October 2009 - GVT RS11 3603 is confirmed scrapped. (I got conformation from GVT)
the unit was a parts engine that sat in Lancaster, NY on the DLWR for many years.
plant in Depew in 2007, and was cut up there in 2009. the nose of the unit is sitting in Lockport yard, for reasons unknown.
68.) October 2009 - from a relaible source: MHWA 2454 in Carthage, along with 642.
MHWA 805 and 2456 in Utica.
69.) December 2009 - Bath & Hammondsport (LAL) number 422 has moved from her
normal assignmant in Cohocton over to Lakeville for some work in the shop.
She was spotted around the Lakeville yard and out on the road up to Rochester a few
times in December. (422 is the only one of the Centuries lettered for the B&H)
2009 - US Army #618, 0-6-0 steam locomotive, is moved from Cooperstown NY to
Eckhart Mines, MD.
End of year summary for 2009
A relatively "slow" year! generally things stayed about the same..which is good news!
Two MLW's were returned to service this year, and no Alcos entered or left the state in 2009,
although one was scrapped.
We lost DLWR Alco RS11 number 3603, which was a parts unit for many years.
(it probably never actually operated with DLWR) the unit was scrapped in Depew.
We "gained" a new Alco S3! the only one in the state!
Tonawanda Coke number 1976.
It has actually been in the state since 1978, but it was listed as a "mystery" loco in past years.
we finally confirmed its existance in 2009.
Two more of the big MLW's were returned to service in 2009!
MLW M636 RRPX 41 in May, and sister M636 RRPX 43 in July.
Both were returned to service by the LAL shop forces in Cohocton, and went to work with their siblings out on the WNYP. Making Five of the eight "Cartier units" returned to service!
leaving only three still OOS in Cochocton. (3660, 3662, and 3674.)
(It is still believed 3660 and 3662, the two C636 demonstrators, will likely never return to service)
LAL did some number shuffling, and a few units were re-classified on this list.
overall, a good year for NY Alcos!
And we lost an Alco steam engine, as the 0-6-0 in Cooperstown was sold and left the state.
70.) January 2010 - RRPX 43 sneaks out of the state, and heads to the B&P Butler, PA shops,
probably for some wheel work. (thats the reason other LAL/WNYP units have gone to
71.) February 1, 2010 - LAL units are spotted with new 45th anniversary decals applied!
So far, LAL 418, 420, 423, 424, and 425 have the new Anniversary logos.
72.) February 18, 2010 - LAL 420 and 425, the regular Rochester road set, are seen operating
in an unusual "both cabs inward" configuration.
73.) March 22, 2010 - WNYP Alco C430 No. 430 is reported OOS with a bad traction motor.
74.) May 2010 - The big MLW C630M, No. 2028, photo, is scrapped in Cohocton.
This unit arrived at the B&H/LAL shops in Cohocton "for evaluation" on January 22, 2010.
the unit was probably always intended for parts, she was used as a parts source for the
last Cartier MLW being returned to service in Cohocton (3674) Parts were removed from
2028, and the remains were scrapped in Cohocton in May.
MLW C630M, serial number M3497-2
nee Canadian National 2028 - built March 1968.
to Cape Breton & Central Nova Scotia 2028 (in 1993)
to IBCX (Indiana Boxcar) 2028 (in 2001)
brought to Cohocton, NY, for parts, in January 2010.
Scrapped May 2010, Cohocton, NY
(the two Alco C636 Demonstrators, 3660 and 3662, are still in Cohocton as well,
but there are no plans, at present, to return either to service.)
76.) April 30, 2010 - Staten Island Railway Alco S1 No. 407 leaves Staten Island, and is shipped
by truck to its new home, the Catskill Mountain Railroad in Mount Tremper, NY.
She is now the new CMRR No. 407. She arrived May 6, 2010.
76.) June 21, 2010 - The second Staten Island Alco, SIRT 821, leaves Staten Island and is
trucked to its new home, the Upper Hudson River Railroad, in North Creek, NY.
(status of the two locomotives in early 2010)
This leaves no Alcos on Staten Island! but neither is leaving NY state!
which is good news..both 407 and 821 will likely be used in excursion service by their new owners. I will remove staten Island from the map, and add Mount Tremper!
76.) June 24, 2010 - Added a mysterious MLW M420(W) to the NYLE Roster,
even thought she (probably) isnt in NY state:
anyone know the story? and why isnt she in Gowanda?
77.) September 2010 - JRWX 111, a leased Alco S4, arrives at the Suez powerplant in Solvay.
78.) October 2010 - RRPX 85 - MLW M636, is returned to service by the LAL shops in Cohocton,
and heads over to Olean to join her sisters on the WNYP. Now all six of the M636's are back
in service! Only the two Alco C636 demonstrators remain in Cohocton. (no current plans
79.) November 2010 - RRPX 2338, ex CN 2338, a MLW M636, arrives on the WNYP in Olean.
80.) December 2010 - A new locomotive for the Adirondack Scenic arrives. the new Adirondack
No. 1845, a MLW RS18u, arrives in Utica.
End of year summary for 2010
2010 was a busy year!
Sadly, one Alco was
scrapped in NY state during 2010, MLW C630M 2028, scrapped in
Two Alcos migrated to new
homes in 2010! The two Staten Island locomotives.
RRPX 85 - MLW M636, is
returned to service by the LAL shops in Cohocton,
and heads over to Olean
And three new Alcos came
into NY from the outside! and all three are (or will
be soon) operating locomotives.
The New York State Alco
population increases by three units, from 126 to 129
81.) February 12, 2011 - RRPX 85 leaves
Olean for the B&P shops in Butler, PA for
82.) March 2011 - a new Alco arrives in NY state!
The new Adirondack 1835, a MLW RS18u,
83.) March 2011 - MHWA MLW M420W is renumbured
from MHWA 642 to MHWA 2042
84.) April 2011 - The Upper Hudson River Railway
ran its last excursions in 2010, and ceased to exist
on December 31, 2010, when their lease ran out, and
was not renewed. The UHRR existed for 12 seasons,
1999 to 2010.. A new operator is taking over the
line in 2011, the Saratoga
& North Creek. The S&NC begins service
July 23, 2011..the three UHRR Alcos are not being
used for the new service, and are stored at North
85.) May 2011 - Adirondack 1845 (MLW RS18u)
recieves a sharp
new Black & Green paintscheme.
86.) June 2011 - RRPX 85 is back in Olean.
87.) June 13, 2011 - Posted on Railfan.net 6/13/2011 by smtimko:
88.) June 14, 2011 - WNYP 4228 is listedin service, in Meadville on the WNYP.
89.) June 25, 2011 - LAL 423 is listed
OOS for wheel work.
90.) June 25, 2011 - WNYP 631 is listed
OOS with "major engine failure"
91.) Note on WNYP units 427, 434 and 435.
4264 became WNYP 427
However, in July 2011,
nearly 2 years later, none of the 3 units have yet
C425 No. 4264 (427) is
in service in Meadville.
95.) Independant Cement
Alco RS3 No. 5 was sold to the Berkshire Railway
End of year summary for 2011
another mostly "status quo" year, which is a good
thing! One new Alco arrived in NY state in 2011
(Adirondack 1835) One alco was scrapped, one left
the state, and one was returned to service
96.) January 2012 - WNYP 428 has
been in service on the LAL for 6 months, on the
road trains to
nee CP 8761, CP 1811, Owego & Harford 1811,
to B&H 416.
April 2012 - The Adirondack Railroads last
remaining Alco Century, C424 No. 4243, is sold
2012 - Both RS18u's are in Olean on the WNYP.
2012 - LAL 428 has been repainted into the full
103.) October 26, 2012 - WNYP 417 is spotted in new primer.
104.) 2012 - the two A&M Alcos left Fultonville.
2012 - at some point in 2012 RHXS 27, the MLW
M420TR, moved from Rome to Utica.
York State lost five Alcos in 2012. Three left the
state (Adirondack C424 4243 to the DL in Scranton,
PA, and the two A&M units in Fulton) And two
were scrapped (Alco S2 NYLE 62, and Alco C425 NYLE
Alcos moved within the state! The two Owego &
Harford MLW RS18u's moved from Owego to the
"Alco location" was removed from the map..Owego no
longer has any Alcos.
new Alcos arrived..The Alco total drops from 130 to
127 units in 2012
February 15, 2013 - B&H 416 is now in
Cohocton, in a new coat of "LAL family" black
110.) January 2014 - BSOR 84 and 107 are moved from Eden to Hamburg.
August 2014 - Alco news from the Tioga
Scenic in Wellsboro, PA
Three Alco RS1's were scrapped in
Wellsboro PA in late 2014:
Alco RS1, built 1945
Alco RS1, built 1945
Alco RS1, built 1950
There were Five Alcos on the
Tioga Central in Wellsboro PA from 1994 to 2014.
Alco S2, TIOC 14. - now LAL 14.
Alco RS3m, TIOC 506. - Now WNYP 506
August 2014 - two new units for the LAL! Alco S2
#14 and RS3m #506 arrive on the LAL,
York state lost three Alcos, (two Trigen units left
the state, and one RS3 scrapped)
113.) ADIX 1835 was previously incorrectly listed as 1843, correction made Jan 2015.
115.) January 2015 - The two Alco C636 Demonstrators were scrapped in Cohocton.
technically they were never owned by the LAL. They were the only Alco C636's in the state.
(we do still have the eight MLW M636's)
116.) January 2015 - Two C424m parts units are scrapped by the LAL in Lakeville.
these two units had been stored on the property for over a decade.
Five NY Alcos scrapped in 2015. :(
Also, at the same time, the former RRPX 43 was renumbured to WNYP 643.
The two units were moved from the "WNYP leased units" catagory in this list, into the main LAL roster. Increasing the total LAL/B&H/WNYP locomotive roster from 30 to 32 units.
118.) On June 6, 2016, WNYP RS3m 406 was unveiled! the former D&H and Tioga Central 506.
click here: http://www.railroad.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=113 for photos.
119.) It was confirmed on the WNYP shop tour on June 6 that WNYP 4223 is now a parts unit. She was assigned the number WNYP 434 "on paper", but it's now likely she will never actually wear that number. 4223 is providing parts for WNYP 430, and other locomotives.
120.) In November 2016 the Livonia Avon & Lakeville railroad donated their Alco RS1 to the the
Rochester & Genesee Valley Railroad museum! LAL 20 moved to the musem in November 2016 is now part of their permanent operating collection.
121.) December 13, 2016 - LAL 433 is spotted in fresh LAL paint!
Finally out of her older NYSW yellowjacket paint. She is on Type-B trucks temporarily! Probably "shop trucks" while her original Hi-Ad trucks are being worked on. When she later returns to active service out on the road in 2017, she will be wearing the Hi-Ad trucks.
122.) June 7, 2017 - LAL 433, Alco C430, is returned to service! Painted in LAL corporate paint and lettered for the Livonia Avon & Lakeville, she working out on the road on the LAL.
123.) Summer 2017 - WNYP 435 is repainted from her previous red, into new corporate paint.
124.) The final two Alcos stored in the Colonie yard are finally scrapped in February 2019. :(
Along with the remaining passenger cars that were there:
Colonie NY becomes Alco-free for the first time since..well, since as long as Alcos have existed. :( Colonie is removed from the NY Alco map on this site, and the NY Alco count drops from 117 to 115 units.
125.) Sadly, Bath & Hammondsport Number 4, Alco S1, was scrapped by the LAL/B&H in Cohocton NY in May 2019.
126.) May 2019.
News first hits the internet in April 2019 that the WNYP will be retiring and selling its 6-axle Alcos and MLW's! Thought to be just a rumor at first, but within a few weeks the story is confirmed as being true. (The 4-axle Alcos on the WNYP will soldier on, with no current plans for retirement or replacement.)
The big MLW M636's (plus one MLW C636) have been operating on the WNYP since 2007, twelve years! but their reign in Western NY is coming to an end in 2019. They are going to be replaced by second-hand CSX 6-axle GE's. This will be the first non-Alco power ever on the WNYP.
The arrival dates for each of the 6-axle Alco/MLW on the WNYP can be found on this page, above. They first arrived in Cohocton in 2002, spent some time with the Susquehanna, then went to the WNYP. The first of the Cartier MLW's arrived in Olean in October 2007. The WNYP 6-axle roster for the past decade to 12 years has been nine units:
Status at the beginning of 2019:
(There were also the two C636 demonstrators, also ex-Cartier units, they never made it to the WNYP and were scrapped in Cohocton in 2015, making a total of eleven 6-axle Alco/MLW's that spent time on the B&H/WNYP. They only operated with the NYSW and WNYP while in NY state.)
127.) May 2019. The first of the nine 6-axle units leaves the WNYP, when RRPX 41 departs Olean NY, heading south to new owner Delaware-Lackawanna in Scranton PA.
No. 41 departed Olean on May 28, 2019, and arrived in Scranton on June 1.
updated June 2, 2019