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Genesee & Wyoming Railroad First,
a clarification. The
G&W Railroad is that small Western NY
salt-hauling railroad that
ran
between Retsof and Caledonia, NY,
That tiny ancestral Genesee & Wyoming Railroad was the first railroad in todays global G&W corporation "family" of shortlines all over the world! "G&W Orange", that began on the G&W railroad, can today be seen on railroads all over the world..it all started with a salt mine in Retsof, NY. And
ironically, the original G&W Railroad no
longer exists as one of
the
many shortlines in the G&W Corp family of
railroads! the original
G&W
was folded into the Rochester & Southern
system around 2002/2003. Another
bit of trivia, that could cause some confusion...
made sense! easy to follow.. But
today, even though the original G&W RR of
Western NY is gone, the
G&W
Corporation has been lettering locomotives with
"Genesee & Wyoming"
in places such as Australia!
But
this page, history, and locomotive roster will be
concerned only with
the
G&W shortline of NY state.
G&W history and timeline: 1859 - Oil is discovered in Titusville, PA 1878
- A drilling team, moving into south-west NY
looking for more oil
deposits,
instead uncovers a large salt deposit in Wyoming
county.
Later,
in the 1880's, as a town grew around the salt
mining operation,
the town of Retsof is incorporated.
1891
- The Genesee & Wyoming Valley Railway is
incorporated. 1891 - A second route is laid from Retsof 1.5 miles westward, to the interchange with the DL&W at Greigsville. 1894
- The Third route, commonly considered the
"G&W mainline" opens
between
Retsof & P&L Junction. (Caledonia)
1895 - April 1 - the northern line officially opens, the G&W.V. is now hauling salt to six different Class1 railroads on 14 miles of track. 1899
- March 24, the Genesee & Wyoming Valley
Railway becomes the
Genesee & Wyoming Railway.
1912
- G&W leases the Halite & Northern
Railroad, which runs from
the
Sterling salt mine at Cuylerville, north to
Retsof. 1929 - G&W ends passenger service. 1932 - The BR&P becomes part of the B&O system. 1934
- G&W abandons the former Halite &
Northern between Retsof and
Cuylerville. 1938
- First abandonment of a Class-1 route in the
area. NYC Peanut
abandoned
between Holcomb and Caledonia.
1944
- The diesel era begins with the arrival of GE 80
ton switcher #20.
Followed
by #21 and #22 in 1945. 1945 - Last steam operations on the G&W. 1952 - First Alco RS1 arrives. 1961 - G&W begins aquiring its own salt hoppers. 1962
- the G&W's original route, Retsof to Retsof
Junction and the PRR
interchange,
is abandoned when the PRR 1968 - G&W purchases Business car "Edward I" from the New Haven. 1972 - B&O becomes Chessie System. 1976 - EL and LV are absorbed into Conrail. LV and EL tracks abandoned at P&L junction. 1976-1985
- The D&H interchanges with the G&W via
trackage rights on
Conrail,
running on the former 1980 - The current "G&W Family" paint scheme, seen globally today, is first worn by new MP15DC's #45 and #46. 1982
- June, G&W takes over the former Conrail
trackage (originally
DL&W
mainline) between Greigsville
1982 - G&W corporation begins to aquire other shortlines. 1982
- Conrail abandons the former NYC Peanut between
Caledonia and Batavia.
(West out of P&L junction)
1985
- Chessie sells the former BR&P/B&O from
Rochester to Silver
Springs
to the new Rochester & Southern
1985
- Conrail abandons the former DL&W from
Greigsville west to North
Alexander. 1985
- G&W aquires the DMM, the G&W reaches its
largest size,
extending
from P&L Junction south to Dansville.
1994
- March 12, a magnitude 3.6 earthquake rumbles
under Livingston County,
beginning the flooding and eventual collapse
1998
- 4 years after the loss of the Retsof mine,
construction begins on the
new Hampton Corners salt mine, located
1999
- The G&W is 100 years old!, and is one of
very few railroads to
operate
as the same independant railroad
2002
- or 2003, exact date still uncertain..the G&W
Railroad is absorbed
in the Rochester & Southern system.
2006
- January 31, 2006 - American
Motive
Power (AMP) recieves its first locomotive at
the former
Foster-Wheeler 2007
- Bringing us up to today..Salt continues to move
north on the old
G&W
tracks, as it has for the last 116 years.
For such a tiny
railroad, (only 11 miles long), the G&W directly
interchanged LVRR Those railroads represent virtually the
entire history of
North East railroading of the 20th century.. G&W All Time Roster and Surviving Locomotives. The G&W owned a total of 39 locomotives during its 103 year history. 18
steam locomotives, one
steam locomotive survives, Steam
Roster: Diesel Roster:
*Note 1 The
saga of G&W #9! 1910-1918
-
G&W 9 1919-1929
-
Brooklyn Cooperage
Co. #16 1929-1938
-
Tennessee &
North Carolina #206 1938-1961
-
Smokey Mountain
#206 1961-1973
1973-today
actually..the song was about a passenger train, the first Cincinnati Southern Railway passenger train into Chattanooga, in 1880. not one specific locomotive. Pardon me, boy its hilarious that the
song says
the train
leaves from "track 29".. Here she is as Brooklyn Cooperage Co. #16, in 1919 and finally..here she is
today.. http://www.chattanooga-charm.com/images/track29train1.jpg http://www.lewisdt.com/research/train.jpg http://home.earthlink.net/~abclair2001/chooch3.jpg well..at least she is
still with
us! Scot *Note
2. A second source, also from
the
G&W,
the roster collected from the G&W by Charles
Woolever, says: The second source also
seems to
imply the
loco probably never actually worked on the Panama
canal, The data from the 2nd
G&W
source is
likely correct, but I wanted to give all the known
data anyway. *note
3 There were also several diesels that the G&W technically owned, but were never on the active G&W roster: Alco S2 - built 1/49 - c/n 76588 - nee Port Huron & Detroit #60 - aquired 8/1985, sold 5/1986 to KY-TN Ry / E D&W #24 Alco S4 - built 8/56 - c/n 81866 - nee B&O #9084, then Port Huron & Detroit #62 - aquired 8/1985, sold 3/1986 to Seaside RR DMM #1 and #2 technically belonged to the G&W in 1985/86, until they were sold in late '86. never received G&W reporting marks or numbers. Alco RS1 - nee Chicago & West Indiana #262, aquired 1970's, used for spare parts only. - scrapped. Alco
RS1 - nee NYS&W
#233:2, used for
spare
parts only - scrapped *note 4 The true heritage of G&W 1001. I originally had the heritage information for G&W 1001 listed incorrectly (and so does every online G&W roster.) She had been listed as: Builders number 73623-24 nee Reading Railroad 2624 to CR 9424 to G&W 1001 that is Wrong! She was frame checked..her correct heritage is actually: Builders number 73623-17 nee Reading Railroad 2617 to CR 9417 to G&W 1001 currently operating on the Rochester & Southern at the Hampton Corners, NY salt mine. So where is the real Reading 2624? she is ALSO owned by the G&W! and has also been recently frame checked! which confirms: Builders number 73623-24 nee Reading Railroad 2624 to CR 9424 to Savannah Port Terminal 1003 (a G&W family line.) link. to RLIX 1003 currently operating with Savannah Port Terminal in Georgia. So..two independant frame checks, both confirm the numbers above.. which definately confirms that G&W 1001 is 73623-17, NOT 73623-24. *note 5 Concerning G&W steam locomotive No. 5 I originially had G&W number 5 listed as a 4-4-0, and listed as a 4-4-0, and as Dickson b/n 272. that is now believed to be incorrect.. G&W No. 5 was most likely a 2-6-0, and Dickson b/n 410. Originally D&H 194, named "Cooperstown" Note from a forum post: March 18, 2010. Hey everyone, I have recieved some new data about G&W number 5. I had her listed as a 4-4-0, but new data suggests she was most likely a 2-6-0. (I have never seen a photo of this locomotive.) I have copies of three different hand-typed rosters, all probably written long before the age of the internet: Roster 1: 5 4-4-0 Dickson 272 9/1880 18x24" 55 3/4" ex D&H Canal Co. (Penna. Div. #37 "John B. Smith") that roster says "Courtesy of W.L. Reddy and H.L. Goldsmith" and was probably written in the early 1960's, because it stops with locomotive No. 35. Roster 2: 5 2-6-0 Dick 1880 272 ex D&H (no source or date information) Roster 3: 5 4-4-0 Dickson 272 9/1880 Orig Deleware & Hudson Canal Co #38 (no source or date information) I copied the text on those three exactly as they are typed..including "Deleware" Those three rosters conflict in two areas.. 4-4-0 vs. 2-6-0 and D&H #37 vs. D&H #38. They all agree on Dickson as the builder, b/n 272, and a build date of 1880... however all of that could be incorrect.. I recieved an email from Chris Shepard, a former co-worker of mine, and a member of the Bridge Line Historical Society (D&H) out in Albany, and Chris has some D&H and Builders records that show that G&W Number 5 was most likely a 2-6-0, not a 4-4-0. also, "John B. Smith" AND Dickson b/n 272 as G&W Number 5 is possibly incorrect.. here are some records on the John B. Smith, Dickson b/n 272: Loco_Count: 159 1st_Builder: Dickson Locomotive Works 2nd_Builder: 3rd_Builder: 1st_Build_Num: 272 2nd_Build_Num: 0 3rd_Build_Num: 0 Date_Built: 1880-09-28 1st_Date_Rebuilt: 0000-00-00 2nd_Date_Rebuilt: 0000-00-00 3rd_Date_Rebuilt: 0000-00-00 Date_Received: 0000-00-00 Date_Off_Roster: 1907-00-00 1st_Wheel: 2-6-0 2nd_Wheel: Sold_To: Former_Railroad: Final_Num: 128 6th_Num: 0 5th_Num: 0 4th_Num: 0 3rd_Num: 0 2nd_Num: 128 1st_Num: 37 Engine_Name: John B. Smith Final_Class: 3rd_Class: 2nd_Class: 1st_Class: B Notes: Renumbered #129, 1899-00-00, off roster by 1907-00-00 If it actually left the D&H in 1907, that doesnt quite jive with the G&W timeline.. because G&W bought their number 7 in 1905..so it doesnt make sense the G&W would have bought number 7 in 1905, then two years later get number 5 in 1907! all indications are the G&W numbered every locomotive consecutively, as they arrived. although it also says "off the roster by 1907"..which impiles it could have left before 1907. Chris thinks this could be our G&W Number 5 instead: Updated: 2006-03-02 D: Y Builder: Dickson Locomotive Works Builder_Number: 410 Date_Built: 1883-03-09 Date_Received: 0000-00-00 Date_Off_Roster: 1900-05-00 Wheel: 2-6-0 Sold_To: Genesse & Wyoming Former_Railroad: Final_Num: 172 6th_Num: 0 5th_Num: 0 4th_Num: 0 3rd_Num: 0 2nd_Num: 172 1st_Num: 194 Engine_Name: Cooperstown Final_Class: 2nd_Class: 1st_Class: B Cylinders: 18 x 24 Drivers: 55 3/4 inc Wt_on_Drivers: Total_Wt: Boiler_Pressure: Tract_Power: Notes: Renumbered #172, 1899-00-00, sold, 1900-05-00, to Genesse & Wyoming That record actually says "sold to G&W"..and it says a sold date of 1900.. which fits our known G&W roster timeline very nicely: http://gold.mylargescale.com/Scottychaos/GW/GWpage.html Both Dickson locos are clearly 2-6-0's, so I think its safe to conclude the 4-4-0 info for G&W No. 5 is simply wrong.. which casts doubt on the rest of info for #5 in those rosters.. (if they didnt even get the wheel arrangement right, its likely the rest of the data is also wrong) Chris is quite confidant his D&H info is accurate, its all from Bridge Line HS D&H records... so im more inclined to trust the D&H info, rather than the old hand-typed G&W rosters.. although without an actual photo, we cant be 100% confidant on anything quite yet.. What we really need is a photo of G&W 5, then photos of the two D&H locos in question! thats unlikely..but possible.. So thats where things stand right now.. thoughts anyone? thanks, Scot
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