Ward Kimball's Grizzly Flats Depot,
Its connection to Disney,
Its connection to the Lehigh Valley Railroad.
Searching for the Lehigh Valley Railroad's
Pottsville branch "Flag Stop" Depot.
So now we know about the Grizzly Flats depot and the Frontierland depot..the history of both
are quite well known..and we know both are based on the LV depot..
What is *not* well known at all is the history of the original LV depot!
As I write this in 2010, No one (in the on-line railfan community anyway)
has ever seen a photo of the actual depot!
1. When was it built? (probably around 1888-1893, but the exact date is still unknown)
2. When was it torn down?
3. WHERE exactly was it located?
4. Are there any photos of it?
5. Were there several of the same design? or only one? (answer! yes, there were several! see below)
6. What color was it?
None of this is yet known..Im hoping that by creating this webpage other historians can be drawn into the story, and maybe we can solve some these mysteries!
Here is what we do know:
1. We have the drawings of the LV depot, The first from the book "Buildings and Structures of American Railroads" by Walter G. Berg, published in 1893.
2. Then an "improved" version of the drawing was made for the December 1946 issue of "The Model Railroader" magazine.
3. Then the original 1893 drawing was re-published as part of the 1975 "Trainshed Cyclopedia No. 24"
4. The depot was likely built in the five years between 1888 and 1893,
based on historic data on the branch,
The 1893 book gives us some background information on the depot:
Built by Mr. F.E. Schall.
Under the direction of the LV Superintendant of Bridges and buildings, Mr. William F. Pascoe.
21 X 13 feet.
Apart from the drawing itself, those are the only details we have.
looking into the history of the LV
depot in 2004, when I received an
email from my fellow Garden RR
member, and fellow railroad
historian SandyR. Sandy discovered
connection between the Piko Large
Scale model, the Grizzly Flats
and the Lehigh Valley Railroad.
Both of us being very interested
history (one of our local
railroads) we began digging into
We posted a
thread on mylargescale.com to see
if anyone knew anything..
none of these discussions were
able to bring up any new
information on the LV depot.
After I upload this webpage, I plan to re-post new discussions on five forums:
(for the G-gauge crew)
between us all, we can come up
new info for the LV depot!
the depot wasnt for
Pottsville, PA itself..it was
located somewhere on the LV's
early discussions said the depot
might have been located in
discussion died off back in
no further info on the LV depot
awhile I come back to this topic
just to see if anything new
up. I grew up in
Schuylkill Haven, which was
located on the
Lehigh Valley's Pottsville
Branch. Today was one of
when the topic came to mind and
the thread with your question
up. I don't recall seeing
the thread before; perhaps it
the search criteria I used
A large LV
system map, from my LVRR
Here is a
highlight of the Pottsville
on the Pottsville branch exists
was more than one!
The four LV Depot photos are:
All four are
located on the LV's
Hazelton-Pottsville area "coal"
Two of them,
Drifton and Park Place, are
somewhat simplier, and bear only a
slight resemblance to our mystery
"Depot #1"..the bay windows are
simple and "square", however
Park Place depot does share much
of the fancy ornamentation,
does not) but they do appear to
share the same basic plan, size
shape as our mystery Pottsville
branch depot, which makes me
they are all variations on the
same theme..so I am including them
two, Ashmore and New Boston, have
LOT in common with our mystery
have the fancy bay
window, similar size and shape,
difference is they appear to be
lacking the window to the left of
the door, Ashmore is lacking the "Jerkinhead
Roof" on the roof
line..although New Boston has it!
(over the bay window)..so again,
these are not *exact* copies of
Depot #1, but they are very close!
Clearly all variations on the same
Boston also have the sloped roof
on the left side of the roof? same
as Depot #1??
So we are
One question answered though! clearly these are all from the same "family tree" of depot design.
and we now know several depots of this design were used in the LV's Pennsylvania coal fields.
its a start.
these new photos, clearly this
design was used in several
locations around the LV coal field
lines in the Hazleton-Pottsville
area. It is
interesting that none
are actually on the Pottsville
branch though! (although
these are the only the four found
far..I suspect there are
more!) All four locations are
visable on the map above, a bit north
of the Pottsville branch, on the
LV's network of Hazleton area
branch lines, But not very far
the Pottsville Branch.. (if anyone
the exact names of the branch
lines they are on, please let me
many of you LV fans know, im a
"West of Sayre" guy! and thus not
familiar with the Pennsylvania
branch lines. ;)